In this episode of Edgy Ideas, Simon Western is joined by Fr. David McCallum to explore the unique leadership style of Pope Francis and what it means for the future of the Catholic Church – and humanity at large.

The conversation unfolds around the radical shift Pope Francis has led, prioritizing humility, listening, and symbolic action over institutional command. Fr. David shares moving anecdotes from his encounters with the Pope, offering insight into how leadership rooted in deep presence and discernment can inspire systemic change. They reflect on synodality as a leadership practice – a process rooted in dialogue, participation, and inclusion – and the ways it reorients traditional hierarchies toward relational and collective discernment.
They discuss how change often emerges from the margins rather than the centre, and how Pope Francis embraced paradox and complexity rather than rushing to resolve it. In a world increasingly polarized, this leadership invites us to see difference as generative and to engage across divides with empathy and courage.
Looking ahead, the conversation calls on leaders across sectors to let go of rigid structures and embrace more inclusive, compassionate and participatory ways of leading. Through stories, reflection, and critical insight, this episode challenges the dominant narratives of leadership and offers a deeply human alternative.

Check the podcast episode at the following link: https://audioboom.com/posts/8746304-the-leadership-of-pope-francis